The day was going to be cloudy, which means the solar will struggle but the cheap Amazon chrono will be happy.

I set up a folding table, chair, and the chrono (on tripod) with a 10ft berm backstop.

8x57mm Mauser

First up was retail PPU 198gr FMJ. Averaged 2,297fps out of the 29.5” barrel, for 2,319ft-lbs of energy. PPU is known for light loading so that tracks.

cartridges made from pulled-down components

Is this a Bad Idea for someone like me who is new to reloading? Probably. But I approached it methodically and I’m still alive to tell the tale.

I’d accidentally bought some 8x57mm JRS because I didn’t know Rimmed 8mm Mauser existed. I saw the dusty box of Sellier & Bellot 8x57mm on the shelf and snagged it like Gollum on the Precious. Durrrrrr….

I used a bullet puller to remove the 196gr SPCE projectiles and powder. I deprimed carefully with a universal deprimer.

Re-using pulled bullets is common practice but re-using primers and powder is not, especially when we don’t know what the powder is.

My thinking:

  1. the JRS and JS case dimensions are extremely close once we disregard the rim. There is a ~2° difference in the shoulder angle but it’s imperceptible to the eye and I don’t think it could materially affect case volume.
  2. There were 17 cartridges to be pulled down, so if I collect all of it and weight it the divide by 17 I should see the charge weight of the powder.
  3. If I round down to the next whole number that should give me the max1 charge, 48gr in this case.
  4. 90% of the “max” will be serve as the starting load and 95% will be the middle load.
  5. there is published loading data for the 196gr S&B SPCE projectiles

the results

The starting load averaged 2,297fps, for 2,296ft-lbs. The max load averaged 2,531fps, for 2,787ft-lbs. Every round went bang and every primer held together. A successful experiment, IMO.

retail .22LR

.22LR

No, I’m not reloading rimfire. But while I had the chrono out I might as well show that fantastic little cartridge2 some love.

I shot both Remington High Velocity 40gr plated (what I think Remington now calls “Golden Bullet” and what appears to be Remington Thunderbolt 40gr lead RN.

high velocity / golden bullet

Out of the ~16” Henry AR-7 they averaged 1,248fps (138ft-lbs). Out of the 4.5” Stoeger Luger barrel they averaged 1,073fps (102ft-lbs).

Remington Thunderbolt

I had what appeared to be Thunderbolts (unplated lead RN) in the magazines and also loose in an unmarked container. These averaged 1,154fps (118ft-lbs) in the rifle and 1,022fps (93ft-lbs) in the pistol. The Stoegers are infamous for being finicky about ammo but no burps with either of these.


Srsly: do not take my word (or anyone else’s) on matters of reloading. Get some manuals, start with light charges and work up, etc. You are responsible for your own loads as I am mine.

  1. max for this purpose, not max for the powder + bullet because I don’t know what the powder is. It’s definitely ball powder though. 

  2. if the SHTF and I could only have one retail caliber I think it would be .22LR. If reloading components were available I might take 9mm instead. 

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